An update to the previous posting.

 Thanks to the vigilance of our members Tigran Sg and others I checked once more all available data about the J2-Z6065>P81 and here an update to the previous posting.

In the Lazaridis et al. 2024 preprint a new Maykop sample was published. The paper itself didn't provided much details about it's subclade and I assumed that there is no enough coverage. However after the paper was published in Nature this year and files became available it's subclade is now known and it's J2-Z6065>P81 according the FTDNA. Another reason that I missed it is that the Chinese website YTree places P81 in very different place of J2 which further confused me.

Anyway a J2-P81 being a Maykop lineage makes sense. It's found in modern North West Caucasus also in Ukraine. It's remarkable that it's parallel branch was found in Bronze Age Anatolia in Ovaoren. This is a strong indication that both branches were initially related to Chaff faced ware communities in historic Armenia. One branch moved to north to become a Maykopian lineage and another to Anatolia to be potentially a Hittite-Luwian lineage. According Yfull both branches have a common ancestor at 8400 years ago which coincide with the formation of Shilaveri Neolithic culture.

Returning to the J2-P81 from the Alan period, we can now be sure that it had local origin. At last from Bronze Age and Eneolithic.